Ira speaks with New York Times Magazine Reporter Nikole Hannah-Jones about her years reporting on education and the various kinds of school reforms administrators have tried to close the achievementgap that never seem to work. Nikole says there's one reform that people have pretty much given upon, despite a lot of evidence that it works – school integration.
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Chana Joffe-Walt tells what happened when a group of public school students in the Bronx went to visit an elite private school three miles away.
The kids who traveled three miles up the road are in their mid-20s now. We hear how what they saw affected them for years, including at college.